The choreographer Boris Charmatz, director of the Musée de la danse/Centre Choréographique in Rennes, talks to Cosmin Costinaș, curator of BAK (Base for Contemporary Art) in Utrecht, about his Musée and about two of its projects: expo zero, an exhibition without objects, and Brouillon, where performers ‘activate’ an exhibition-in-progress showing works of art. An opening discussion that sets the tone for this festival.